Yeah, I know, I post pics since it's usual but indeed, I don't see much myself in those pics LOL

Yo couzin,

THX for testing m8 :)

Well the map is made for 8 players max, more than that, it's a frag fest ! I test against 4 - 8 adept bots, more than that, isn't fun.

For teleporters, you only have 2 ways, which I found not to much giving the map size.

The KEG spot as only 1 exit on purpose, I like the risk vs. reward there, this is why that area as a worthy item with only that exit, you must be quick to get out of there ;) But if you have another exit suggestion, go ahead :)

The sniper spot you show in the pics is a untouched walls. Like I said in the first post, many spots aren't been touched yet. I want the sniper spot to be at risk, the only way out is to jump down so if the player want to snipe, he won't get out quickly by a door / teleporter nearby.

The other spot will have a damaged / non working door later. The main purpose is to add a bit more room in that area or else it feel boring / squeezed.

The teleporter near the jumpad is something that bug me a bit, perhaps I'll move it deeper so when you spawn you clearly see the jumpad because now, it's facing the ramp in front & is symmetrical with the layout. Perhaps, I can move the teleporter to the door near the KEG where there is the other inactive door under the ramp ?

THX m8 :D

Yep, let me know what you think :)

For A2 I plan to :

- Add a way from the flak to the sniper, something like a gravity volume like in Station12 because I mess around with a jumpad yesterday but it's not very obvious & doesn't flow right for the moment.

- I already move the teleporter near the jumpad in Blitz pic # 3 to the end of the corridor in Blitz pic # 5. My gameplay /flow are better with that setup :D

First impressions were wow cool and detailed brush work

Ok, trying to find the problem mode:

Mostly good, flow seem good, labyrinthian enough so you takes a while to learn.  I have to agree with Blitz about the numerous jump pads and teleporters. So some of my suggestion focus on this but its your map and I respect your decision.

I have reservation with the beserk and the keg are too close imo. I understand you did this on purpose, but I'm for the two powerup not being in the same hands or at least not that easily.


In an effort to lower the number of teleporters:-





To provide more options provide two alternaive jump target for each jump pad.  And perhaps a curved stairwell instead of the teleporter.



To increase the accessability out of the Keg room:  As an alternative to full sinking Perhaps half sink the pad so both levels have ready access.



- The keg is not deep or risky enough. I feel it should be exposed from several angles with a challenge to get out.  This is true for all but 2 entrances which give a straight line to the exit. 




You have a nice sky pity we cant see more of it (personal preference ofc).  As you have the bersrk just beneath the sky window I though the bersrk must be getting its enery from a star light lense.  (please pardon the wacky idea).

Shaping up to be a great, tight, visually spectacular DM. 

PS nice sound track

stevelois wrote:

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Well, look like 2 jerks as already vote 1 star for my alpha map on Epic.

That's so funny LOL

What a pair of morrons :D

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What a bunch of dicks lol. They don't understand your work bro.

I'll give a try when the colour is put in place and few more things added as I'm useless in this part.

 

@all

- I finally replace the skydome SM by the skysphere SM & the material look as good after some testing.
- I add one of the floor material & also 2 walls materials I will use the most.
- I replace 2 flat ramps + 1 jumpad with 3 more techy ramp.
- I start to build a path using a lowgravity volume from the Flak to the Sniper spot which work ok now but need to finish the geometry. It will be some sort of magnetic field generator.
- I reduce the skylight lighting & add PP effect to get a early feel.

@Zerling

You can try it & tell me if you like the layout & the music


-- Edited by stevelois on Wednesday 19th of January 2011 05:16:25 AM

Not really sure what it could be, without looking at first hand. But have you tried moving the LiftCenter around.

-For isolation purposes make an experiment with a static mesh, just in case this is a factor.

Good Luck.

I don't know from where it is from, but I can't play or rebuild your map in editor.
The map opens itself normally, I can navigate trough it, but nothing more.

Maybe the file was corrupted during the DL. So I wait for the alpha2 .

Okay...

I try several things & nothing was working after a path rebuild

Finally,

- I delete all liftexit-center-jump etc actors.
- Add only the liftcenter, rebuild & it was fine ??????
- Add liftexits, rebuild, again, fine!
- Add liftjumpexit, rebuild & again, it's fine!

WTH damn it

Now there is 2 lifts working like it should. Even low level bots do the liftjump, I'm happy

Wow thanks for the vote of confidence.

Glad to hear you sorted it out. Funny how the engine does that sometime. I wonder is it more brittle than other engines or is this just par for the course.

This is the kind of materials I'll use which show the path between the flak at the bottom to the sniper level

If you have comments, it's the time because I prefer to have them before I alter the layout to much.

TBH, the only issue I have left is the KEG spot which I would like to make it better but dunno how ?

well is very difficult for me, give it a council, because you are really professional and I liked the design very much, so there's the only thing I do not like:

- this is a small map, but very open, it makes hitscann weapons
too powerful. with the bots maybe u cant see this detail, but if ur in a 1v1 or a small DM with good players if you stand on the spot of the bersek with a stinger+ Berserk, you can kill all players in 5 seconds, because from there you control the entire map.

-my suggestion is quite radical, and is remove or replace the estinger for other flak or linkgun, and remove one of the ammo of the sniper rifle.

but well is just my opinion obout the gameplay.

PD: is on alpha and is awesome D:

Noob_Zaibot wrote:

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well is very difficult for me, give it a council, because you are really professional and I liked the design very much, so there's the only thing I do not like:

- this is a small map, but very open, it makes hitscann weapons
too powerful. with the bots maybe u cant see this detail, but if ur in a 1v1 or a small DM with good players if you stand on the spot of the bersek with a stinger+ Berserk, you can kill all players in 5 seconds, because from there you control the entire map.

-my suggestion is quite radical, and is remove or replace the estinger for other flak or linkgun, and remove one of the ammo of the sniper rifle.

but well is just my opinion obout the gameplay.

PD: is on alpha and is awesome D:

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You make a good point there :D

I know what you mean about the stinger (I play 1on1 on it once in a while against 1 bot in god mode) but I want all stock weapon in this map so since it's a small map, wherever I place the stinger, you will end up with it in the end mixing it up with the bezerk.

THX for the compliment also :)

Odedge wrote:

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stevelois wrote:

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If you have comments, it's the time because I prefer to have them before I alter the layout to much.

TBH, the only issue I have left is the KEG spot which I would like to make it better but dunno how ?

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Just so I can state my peace....

• Overall, I really am liking the size and "look" of the map (even with the default material).

Great !

• I am a bit surrpised you are using teleporters!

Me to LOL

But I want to make things different from my regular maps by using more than 2 teleporters & also 3 lifts & few jumpads.

• I am sort of surprised you have so much detailed brushes (especially for an alpha) given that most BSP heavy maps rely on textures to provide details.

Well, I want to obtain a specific look by playing with the brush tool instead of trying to make complex shapes like I use to do with mixing SM. I Will rely on shapes & good looking materials instead of detailed SM.

• The hallway near the link gun is really steep.

Yeah, I know, but I like the fact to be in the link room & trow some RL grenaded in there.

• The exit from the Keg area is a bit odd.  When you go up the first ramp, you alsmost run into a wall (flow issue).  Then there are 3 very different exits right  in one area, which I think would be better if they were spread around.  There is one other ramp you can use, but it's a much longer route.

It as been fixed

• I have a concern that there might be too many small BSP that catches the player given the amount of detail brushes, but only time will tell.

Yup

• I am not a big fan of jump pads that send you back (unless it's very clear) or that they will be replaced by lifts?

Yep, 2 are replaced & the one that send you to the shock will be also. I'm working on it

• There is one jump pad that takes you straight up to the shock rifle.  It sits on the edge of very small wall, which looks like you can jump up to the jump pad, but really you can't.  Kind of frustrating.

Will be fixed with a small lift

• There are 3 health vials placed in a "window area" that you can barely make with a double jump.  I think if you can double jump up to something like this, you should have a bit more room to make it.

When you go out from the small room where is the medium health, double jump on the edge & double jump again on the vial spot. Or jump down from the shock spot to grab them

• When you exit a teleporter, you shouldn't have to make a quick turn left or right as this throws off the flow.

Yeah but I dunno how to place the teleporter otherwise

• To me the Keg area works fine.  It's a bit odd you can jump straight down from the Berserk, but that might be a timing issue.  I think the maain issue (inho) is the exit.  You shouldn't have 3 areas to go from one spot.  The teleporter is the biggest issue as it takes you to another part of the map.  I think getting rid of the teleporter and jump pad would balance things out a bit more.

As for the KEG spot, it's the exit that bother me. Maybe my imagination will serve me well another time, dunno. But the Bezerk & KEG don't appear at the same time, a chance! The teleporter are very handy, depending of your play style

• Great start to what I am sure will be a great map.

THX, I'll do my best

 

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Cool. I like #1 arrow myself. #4 would be a bit better with a pointed top.

I like both doors, maybe use both around the map to add a little bit of variety?

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I may use one for the lift & the other one for the jumpads?

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Sounds good.  Get to it.

 

Ok, I just got an idea

For the KEG, I thought of this:

- I open the floor but just leave a small ramp-like all around the floor so you can walk (like 64 uu's). The hole is shown by the red lines. if you fall, you die in space...

- I connect the lower door with the upper one near the flak (yes the teleporter as been removed).

- I move the keg at the end of the corridor.



What do you think about that idea

Yeah, I understand what you mean.

My issue about the 'old' KEG area is that it was to not risky enough even if I add 1, 2 extra exits & to easy accessible from all areas above.

TBH, after I post the pic, I decided to make the changes & it's all for the better after playing / spectating :)

Odedge wrote:

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A pic would be nice to see, if you're that bored to post one.

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Here it is

 

 

I plan to add somesort of forcefield at the low edge with a PP volume & add some Geometry below so you get a sense your inside a space station.

He he, that's what I think to :)

I can say that gameplay is much better with this "revamped" area!

I also made a 36 materials until now...

Here, you can see a good bunch of them :D

Look good man. For some reason it looks like a "hi-tech Egyptionish" theme?

Only 54 materials. Hopefully you are using some MIC when you can to reduce your map file size.

@Odedge

THX

Well, I would normally use MIC but in this case, I must use individual mat because there are various settings & added / less nodes in all of them.

The textures I use is a mix of Halo & Nobiax textures.

@Archernar

THX

Yep, basically, this is how it will look like when the map will reach final because I intent to use those PP settings  Remember, the lighting is basic atm.

The material there isn't pulsating. While it would be nice, it would be to distractive since those walls are rather big. Therefore, there are other spots I intent to add that fonction

Cool but there isn't any point lights in front of the blue material. I will add them later ofc ;)

Remember, the lighting is basic!

I only put the lighting on the light source, in this case the orange "X" shaped material :)