Wow Seb, that is great :D

I can attest that the Q3 sounds are epic! :) as is the music.

Love what you did with the teleporter!

+1!

NOVA wrote:

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lol
Maybe soon, in a cuple of days, I'm work actually on the sounds, I try to remove every items sounds and switch by those from QIII (health, vial, jumppad, teleporter, lift...) to obtain a real Quake ambient immersion.

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In my best Quake 3 announcer voice.... "EXCELLENT!"

 

Talk to 1X about that mate. He has LAN games with his mates.

Lord_PorkSword wrote:

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I got 2 copies of UT3 at home so I can test it if 1X can't.

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Cool !

I have to polish some stuffs on it before, so there is no rush, but I will contact you later when needed ;)

 

Thrallala wrote:

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Played, great layout as usual Nova.

thx !

Texturing is well done, as mentioned already another path to the sniper rifle would be great.

it's done ;)

The only flaw I found really is the way you used the wall material, I would've liked it if there was another similar material used on some spots but that might just be me.

well, actually I polish the map with additing deco bsp here & there, so I will try to make the central area more various (I guess it's the part you speak about, if not, can you post a shot to explain me)

Sky looks fantastic!

thx, I must say I'm proud of it

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Oh, another question lol
I would create a ctf map with make a symetry of the map and place the flag where the Flack is (looks a good spot for the flags, extrem part of the map, 3 access to it, etc...), do you think it would be cool for ctf mode ?

stevelois wrote:

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The lights look more cyan than blue, you mean those near the Stinger ? If yes, I would make them look more blueish than cyan.

Yes it those one, I found this part a bit dark, but not sure actually if I will let it, that's why my question, plus I don't want the map become "disney land" with too much color lights lol

A ctf version would be a good idea indeed thinking about it. The flag would be well placed at the flak spot :D

great, plus it can be a good training for me about ctf and greed mode & mapping ;)

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yeah it's for that, but I will try with white neon too to see how its look, I'm not happy with this cyan/blue color...

That screenies looks farken sweet M8!

Just had a match, what a awesome Quake map !!!

I really like that map. All things work perfectly (announcer / stingers / teleporters, etc) !

I notice the extra trimming, very nice to I see you enhance all materials which is much better than before. Only thing I can suggest is adding details normal maps to make all those rusted metallics materials look even better. I can be helpful on that if you want

Only issues I had are writen in the pics :







- Not an issue but I still think the water move a bit to fast :p

- The map isn't listed 1on1-Duality in the map list

Nothing else to comments.

THX my cousin, awesome map

Ben oui, tu as presque fini mon Seb. Ce que j'ai mentionné sont juste des gugus de dernières minutes qui vont the prendre 5 mins "Euro" à terminer :p Quoique t'es pas obligé non plus

Bonne nuit / bon réveil Seb

Since I never got to test the later versions of the map, I will be a bit picky.

• The short lift seems to go a bit fast (especially when you try to lift jump).  You hit your head on the ceiling.  You might want to slow it done a bit and/or add a sloped ceiling?
• On the "ramps", the walls could use some BSP trim towards the bottom of the wall to help it look a bit better.
• How about using the quake logo for the jump pad?
• For a "duel" map, it seems like the ambient sounds were a bit loud.  I do run them a little louder than the other sounds.  It was really hard to track the bot (played 1 on 1).  I didn't check, but some of the foot step sounds should be metal.  It's good that most aren't, but having at least two would be nice.
• The door sounds seems way too low for the looks of the door (big/metal).  This should be an audio cue to those who pay attention to them.  1 on 1 maps need to emphasize sounds that relate to game play (footsteps, picking up stuff, jump pads, lifts, doors, etc) more than the ambient sounds.
• I would turn on collision for the rocks below.  It really worn't hurt performance on a map like this and the player won't fall through the rocks.
• Some height fot would help give the map a bit more atmosphere.  It should be barely noticeable while playing.  There is a lot of "water" around the map and there should be more water in the air.
• I really don't like hearing that sound every time you die.  It gets a bit too repetitive and a bit annoying.
• When you kill someone, is the announcer saying "frags"?  If so, that's a bit odd.  It would be nice if the announcements when you die and kill someone where a bit more random.  Having different announcements would help and not always saying something.  Keep it fresh.
• I would prevent players from being able to leave outside the building and still be alive.  For example, you can jump out of a window by the helmet armor and walk around the outside ledges.  Bots won't do this, but players might and it ruins the game play.  I didn't double check this, but you should have blocking volumes around the entire map to prevent players from spectating too far out.

Now that I have "complained", I mean commented on the map, I will say this:

• Map definately has that Quake look and feel.  The sounds are really nice (except what I mentioned before).  I do like the "ping" sound when you get a hit, that's pretty cool.  The announcer in the game also has a cool voice and when he says "excellent", you just want to go and do better.
• The game play was great and worked well for the 1 on 1 match.

Keep up the great work.

p.s. Are you going to add this to the Map Pack 2?

Lord_PorkSword wrote:

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Looks and runs and plays fantastic M8!

great ;)

Only thing I noticed was that the planet in the sky was partially transparent, so I could see the stars moving behind it which sorta didn't look right.

yes it's intentional, I like the way it is, a bit "unreal", but I will take a look to fix that and if I like it ;)

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Odedge wrote:

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• The short lift seems to go a bit fast (especially when you try to lift jump).  You hit your head on the ceiling.  You might want to slow it done a bit and/or add a sloped ceiling?

Basically I hate slow lift, it's slow down the flow. plus why try to make a lift jump if it's not possible?! lol

• On the "ramps", the walls could use some BSP trim towards the bottom of the wall to help it look a bit better.

could you post a pic plz ?

• How about using the quake logo for the jump pad?

I was thinking of that, but it would not be too much logos on the map after?

• For a "duel" map, it seems like the ambient sounds were a bit loud.  I do run them a little louder than the other sounds.  It was really hard to track the bot (played 1 on 1).

What sounds in particulary? the light hum, the crispy fire sky etc ?

• I didn't check, but some of the foot step sounds should be metal.  It's good that most aren't, but having at least two would be nice.

I have remove the metal sound from the tile floor material, it's really boring me to hear only metal sounds all arround the map run...
But if you well know the map, there is plenty of items sounds (vial, health, ammo, lift etc...) who can give you the information who where is your enemy ;)

• The door sounds seems way too low for the looks of the door (big/metal).  This should be an audio cue to those who pay attention to them.  1 on 1 maps need to emphasize sounds that relate to game play (footsteps, picking up stuff, jump pads, lifts, doors, etc) more than the ambient sounds.

I have reduce it a bit during the process, but maybe too much, you're right on that, it will be fixed ;)

• I would turn on collision for the rocks below.  It really worn't hurt performance on a map like this and the player won't fall through the rocks.

I think it was mentionned by steve and I was thinking that I have already fixed that, it's look it's not the case lol, I'll fix it ;)

• Some height fog would help give the map a bit more atmosphere.  It should be barely noticeable while playing.  There is a lot of "water" around the map and there should be more water in the air.

there is actually heigh fog inside + ground fogs on the basment floor + wall fogs on lots of corridors holes !
That's said I can increase the main heigh fog if it's your request and see how it's turn ;)

• I really don't like hearing that sound every time you die.  It gets a bit too repetitive and a bit annoying.

"you die to easily !" lol
Seriously it's the quake sound for player die, but I can make it more louder and make some random ones.

• When you kill someone, is the announcer saying "frags"?  If so, that's a bit odd.  It would be nice if the announcements when you die and kill someone where a bit more random.  Having different announcements would help and not always saying something.  Keep it fresh.

Same answer, it's the original announcement from Quake, + if you obtain some reward stinger (flack master, or killing spree etc ) you can hear other stinger sounds and so I never have got this feeling...
Anyway I will try to see if I have another sounds to randomize when you make one kill ;)

• I would prevent players from being able to leave outside the building and still be alive.  For example, you can jump out of a window by the helmet armor and walk around the outside ledges.  Bots won't do this, but players might and it ruins the game play.

Bot use that window to jump and grab the Flack cannon ! (with skilled bot and higher)
+ I have let the possibility to skilled player to pass throuh the window in front of the helmet and reach the external platform below (who lead to the doors movers), it's not ruin the gameplay but add more variety of it imo

• I didn't double check this, but you should have blocking volumes around the entire map to prevent players from spectating too far out.

That was mentionned and fixed by past, normally you cannot be able to go far and see "hidden part" of the map.
Now that I have "complained", I mean commented on the map, I will say this:

• Map definately has that Quake look and feel.  The sounds are really nice (except what I mentioned before).  I do like the "ping" sound when you get a hit, that's pretty cool.

It's an original feature from Quake III, very hard to do with kismet and a bit weird sometime but yeah i like ot too !

The announcer in the game also has a cool voice and when he says "excellent", you just want to go and do better.

• The game play was great and worked well for the 1 on 1 match.

Keep up the great work.

thx !

p.s. Are you going to add this to the Map Pack 2?

No since it was on a "public thread",

but if you and others team mates want it was take part of the pack, why not, + I work on a CTF & Greed version of it, so it could be a nice addition ;)

tell me if you want that map on the mappack ;)

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Thx for this test jeff, always apreciate !

 

oh Odedge, I have forgot to ask you what is your sounds setting? and you have test the map ingame or in editor ?

Hey Seb,

I did a bit of material editing as I said earlier So this is to give you a quick preview between yours :



Mine :




If you like it, just tell me & I could do it for all with the uncoocked final.

As for pack 2 since it as been available in the public section, I don't agree to add it in the pack. Therefore, when this one will be done, the CTF version can be a good idea for the pack since only few dudes is aware of is existence

stevelois wrote:

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I did a bit of material editing as I said earlier




If you like it, just tell me & I could do it for all with the uncoocked final.

I like your work but I would keep this material in particulary clear as it is. But I will try to add like you have done a normal detail but with a bump less powered to see if it's look better for me. thx to have take the time ;)

As for pack 2 since it as been available in the public section, I don't agree to add it in the pack. Therefore, when this one will be done, the CTF version can be a good idea for the pack since only few dudes is aware of is existence

roger that !

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stevelois wrote:

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I have check that, I have no see any disapearing shadows...

Are the others have this trouble too??

Odedge wrote:

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• I was thinking of a quake logo for the emitter, not the jump pad base.

ok, I think keep it as it is.

• My sound settings are (SFX=6, Music=0, Voice=4, Ambiance=8, Announcer=4).

great thx, I have check with your settings, you're right (but damn, you loose a big part of the ambient of the map without music imo !)

so I have reduce the overall ambient sounds, but keep enough loud so it's still hearing when music is "on" to keep my general ambient.
I mean I have try to make a compromise between users with and without music !

• So we are talking about the same area where you showed what the bots do.  But I am not talking about bot, but human players.

Ok, I still think it's don't really important, most player will never try this way, but some will, and it's give another way for the Flak Cannon, and I'm happy with that. + the bots use it and it's sometime quit funny to have the supprise of the bot who comming by this way !

This is how I have finish all ramps :

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I have done the last modifications you have all request (those I have agree with), and I have to finish to polishing some little details and the map will be released soon ;)

THX again to all for your suggestions, it's always fun and interesting to work with you guys !

 

-- Edited by NOVA on Saturday 27th of November 2010 03:05:08 PM

@ Nova

• I do like when mappers explain why they do certain things or don't do certain things, so I always appreciate that "feedbac".  That being said, we all know that it's your map and you need to do what's best for it and for you, since you are putting the time in and effort into the map.
• The new trimming looks great.

Ready to the play the final soon!

thx guys !

don't worry about the readme steve, I have done a proper one with nice credits ;)

I have think to up scale the window to allow lift jump to go to the Shock, maybe I can try that (and Jeff will be happy too lol)...

Thx Zaibot ;)

@Barry : You can post your last feedback if you want since I don't have already release the final version, plus I think to release a last RC before to be sure of some last additions ;)