I agree with that. Oh and didnt you once tell me grass should not come out of stone like that...LOL
Very nice mate. I often looked at that set of assets and wondered what could be done... now i know

...superpowered grass...now i have an idea why u used 800 hours for nano....muhahaha

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Thursday 22nd of October 2009 03:28:53 AM

Kewl!
Looking good M8!

looks nice ...but to be totally honnest i dont like the look of that kind of foliage(vegetation) it always looks too flat from one side....and from that angle it looks flat :p
nice lighting though ;)

I finally finish the room you see at your left from the previous pic, it was about time, almost working 10 hours on it damn it !!! Hope you like it :

THX dude

After I upload the pic, I also add some lanterns on the ceiling, it wasn't looking right, something was missing. Now it's fine :)

THX

It would be a nice place for doing yoga or something alike :)

The theme reminds me of ruins in the jungle which I quite like!
Looking forward to this!

THX guy's

Fortunatuly, lighting will be harder than I first imagine :(

I hope it will turn out good. Anyway, I'll let ya know folks ;)

Maybe use a standard pointlight near the enterance of the room that has the same colour and brightness of the directional lights. Set the mesh and light to use a custom lighting channel. (if that's possible)
Other than that I have noidea.

Hi Steve. Looking good mate.

For your lighting, you can place BSP between the room and the dir lights, use the remove surface material and make it bHidden. That will stop the light entering the room.

OOPS.
I guess you cant do that any more.
OK. You can use the UN simple meshes cube the same way and set it to bHidden and no collision.
That will work the same.

Many small things to do but I manage to make the lower level looking nice (at least for me lol). Hope you like it dudes :

THX mate

At least, the foliage as a much better material now compared with the stock one.

BTW, I delete some of them so there is less now (yep, I thought of you old fart :p)

THX dude, happy you lie it 

PS3 version as also been added, yé ! 

ok bro here we are; i m gonna try to be simple and honnest:

what i like:

- i want to say first that the map play like a charm and that i like the gameplay a lot ; it s a paradise for flying monkeys and from far the more fun map u have done ( i mean the one with the more interresting gameplay & action flow imo)

-the background mountains is pure kick arse and one of the best i ve seen so far....superb

-the little cascads and the waterhole are visually superb too

-the sounds are nice even if i was expecting something more scaring to fit to the history of the place ;)

what i dislike:

-i though u was going to keep the texturing more simple and in some parts i found it confuse; too much materials and not according or with weird result

-ur general lighting is very odd in some parts of the map; it dont cast right shadows and gives light in parts that havent light sources

-not enough contrasts in "general" and everywhere

-in such a place i was expecting some nice raylights...haha ;)

-all around the map they are several "holes" or windows that need something to materialize the blocking volumes; i feeled frustrated many times while trying to jump and while broking my nose on invisible walls haha...biatch! they are flying monkey bones all around yer map :p

here are some picts to illustrate my words:

here u have materialise the blocking volume but it s a bit light and when u have the feeling to be abble to go through...but u cant


here i tryed and failed to jump out..invis BV


here under those staircase theres no shadows and it s too enlighted


here i m stuck on the rock


thoses corners need darkness & contrast




invis BV in "1" and odd view/part/texture on "2"


the lanterns seems to not cast any light(1) and that texture is too enlighted ; no logical light source


another invis BV


it look like some light was coming from the ground on "1" and too enlighted in "2" , need contrast from the lighting and not from diff material use imo


the rock look too enlighted and in 2 there to much differents materials imo;


the part 2 looks very heavy and it need a pillar to support all that in "1" or it cant still standing ; in "3" too much light


all in all i like the map and u did a good job mate like always

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Sunday 8th of November 2009 12:17:32 AM

THX Blitz for that "ultra fast testing" lol ;)

I know it his tempted to go outside the play area, I wanted to add something nice outside the play area just to look at. Since there isn't any assets that can fit with my theme I just put something that fit without blocking the view to much to permit you to see outside. I already try some fences, pillars & such to "retain" the player but it wan't looking right. So yes, the play area is the same as alpha 3, you have a bonus to look at a pleasing environnement but nothing more. I have 2 choice :

1, Put something that doesn't fit, but you won't try to go outside.
2, Leave the walls open so your view isn't block by something but you can be tempted to go there.

I don't intent to block the view by adding walls & such, I already consider it but I prefer to leave them open, sorry.

About lighting, it's normal you don't have shadows everywhere. It's day time so it is supposed to be bright everywhere except if there is something blocking according the main sun. The light you pointed out in pic 8 is at the opposite as the sun. it won't be logical they cast shadows since the light at there opposite is 2.5 times brigther. I know some spot (like corners you mention are lit as even as the rest of the room) but I can't lit that room properly anyway. My first choice is to make it look almost dark but with the curren lighting setup, it's over my knowledge to accomplish.

I want to use different textures for rocks, it is very common tu see multiple rock textures side by side, you should come to Canada lol :p Some of them are bright, I agreed on that (like the waterfall in behind the damaged wall) but I don't attemp to make a Tom Clancy's novell neither with "realistic" lighting lol

The theme is clean, ray light aren't suitable in this type of clean place mate or else I will have 9999 lightcone lol

I'm surprise you where stuck near the helmet, I never got stuck around there in all matches ???

The odd lighting you point out in the pic where is the middle health is caused by the mesh itself. I even add some "simple mesh cube" behind the mesh walls to stop the light coming from the directional light to passing trough. They all do that odd lighting on there corners / sides. It's damn annoying. Don't think I can do much about it :(

One of the thing I have to work on is the building in your last pic. I don't like the tiling. I already thought of adding a pillar under it on the corner but it brake the flow so I didn't add one.

I'll work on some aspects you mention mate. I don't reject what you pointed out.

THX again Éric :D

Oups... Sorry Lord, I didn't see you already post before blitz !

Damn blitz take all the place here lol

Well, as for lighting, I already explain what is all about in my previous post. The upper part has awesome shadows since the light pass through the windows. But since the lower walls aren't open, I just can't get shadows except from the various light fixture. Still there is some shadows but since you have moist on the bricks & some vines, you don't see them clearly.

I know some exterior spots would be cool to go but that would implies I change the flow of the map, which I don't want to do. I already consider adding another powerup where the tree block the entrance & other spots but I don't want to work to much on that map.

THX for checking it yout m8 :D

The good ol static mesh lighting issues. I prefer BSP as the lightmaps are a lot better than static meshes. Meshes just don't seem to get it quite right in my opinion.
Some things in your map could be replaced with BSP geometery however it would take quite a lot of time to do this, and I wonder if it's worth the time to get cleaner shadows, if ya know what I mean.
One thought is raise your directional light and see if it helps.

Blitz

Forget to mention that I check the hanging at the rock spot where the helmet is located.

The hanging is caused by the rock collision which is fixed. change the collision & work on the BV there.

Bl!tz wrote:

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do u expect from a flying monkey to use a lift to collect a helmet on that ridiculus stone?? SHAME!

i firstly wanted to shut up because i post too much again.... but i cant resit to tell you my ideas so:

why dont u replace all thoses blocking volumes by killz volumes ? noone will complain to die because he did a wrong landing after jumping through a window

everyone will probably try it but one time only haha^^
actually i m abble to walldodge those BV and it s unfair to thoses dumb bots and more than all it looks wrong!

and if u dont want people to see the outside of the map or if u want to keep it secret just add a powerfull PP volume on each killZ one....


....now i stop; i often feel ridiculus/ashamed while betatesting all thoses maps(especially when i post my "results" & ideas to you all); i m newbie in mapping and i m impressed by all your work but i thing the best way to learn is the betatesting and to keep it efficient i have to put that "ridiculus/ashamed" feeling in my pants and to post..with a special effort to try to not looking arrogant in english..not always easy haha

so if some of my ideas dont make sence just tell it or just dodge the post :p

...all thoses maps just push me to think & post and  think & post again ; that s perhaps the real game in unreal tournament ....who know?   ;)

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Mate, your post is leave me to think your deceive or that your message did't pass. I don't know why you feel like that but in any case you shouldn't & I do appreciate your honesty. There is no reason not to comments on stuff that you feel is wrong, this is why betatesting exist.  Your message is clear and is not arrogant in any way. I'm neutral when I comments back from your post & I was only teasing you mate while saying your impossible :p (PS: it's not the first time I say that & won't be the last neither lol) Your among the best tester I know, so continue to post honest comments mate, it is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery useful

Regardless of your player skills, players don't see all possible ways. I just inform you of the possibilities. Nothing more mate.

As for the wall dodge, I can't do that, I'm not the monkey here so I don't have this knowledge, even less to block or enhance the player experience by adding according BV.

Thje kill volume is a good idea, I have no idea how to do that even if I see it often in many maps. In practical that would implies I add stuff at the exterior of the building to hide the exterior walls & such. That means more mesh, bigger file size, lower FPS... But since the FPS isn't low, I'm willing to try it out, just explain to me how to do that.

Cheers mate

Well old fart, continue to post lenghty post if it's fine with you, it's fine with me mate because we share the same feeling about testing

Remember to tell me how to setup killz volume..............

EDIT

Damn, you edit your post LOL I'll try that later because I must go for the rest of the day. THX mate.


-- Edited by stevelois on Sunday 8th of November 2009 07:16:01 PM

It's a very good suggestion Lord

Damn guy's, I wanted to make a simple map in just a little time, why you complicated my mapper life soooooo much lol

Will try that effect but I promise nothing. Afyer all, I'm a noob in all this !