DM-HIR4X (Beta 2)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

DM-HIR4X (Beta 2)

stevelois · ...

RE: DM-H!R4X (Alpha 1)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

thx;yes picts are resized for fastest upload but i lll take some more in togglescreenshotmode and full size soon ;)

mAlkAv!An · calculating Pi by hand

Looks nice mate :)

I'm sure I will play some games on it.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

héhé ...thx... & i really hope it so m8 ;)

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Tuesday 1st of September 2009 06:18:55 PM

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

here s a bit more ;still a lot to do but it give an idea bout the "target"

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 02:26:58 AM

stevelois · ...

Just watch the vid, the gameplay seem to be very cool & it look nice also :D

Now, when you say huge, it's damn huuuuuuuuuuuge for me LOL

Nice work so far :)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

haha thx cousin

stevelois · ...

I was wondering how you manage to get the same look on the mesh & the BSP ?

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

Looks like it'll be a very interesting map. Especially with some shock cannon action!

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

@Steve: i have just change the original textures of the meshes to another texture....from editor;than i have textured my bsp with same material; that way i was abble to harmonize all parts with same look

@Mick:yes mate i think that it will be the challenge of the map ;each 5 minutes a shot with "earthquake" effect aboard and a "reedemer looking like" explosion on the planet ;all that from a lighty bullet going through the cannon and killing everyones inside...what a programm lol....never did any kismet job...time is come and help will probably be welcome haha^^

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 02:47:14 AM

stevelois · ...

Yeah, I notice that it's the same material and what is surprising me is that it look perfectly aliged with the mesh shape, specially circular mesh :)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

yeah;textures always "autoalign" itself on the more logical position ;sometimes it look crap and sometimes the texture and the static mesh just match like here ...though i did some adjustments manually on scaling and alignement ...and i had sometimes to do a 180 ° rotation(manually too btw i havent find the way to rotate a texture with the rotation set on 180 °;it seem to rotate degree after degree) but with that kind of textures it s easy to do ; lot of lights ,lines and co ;)

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 05:00:21 AM

stevelois · ...

Damn... that's so much messing around, you have some good patience old fart :p

-- Edited by stevelois on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 05:11:35 AM

mAlkAv!An · calculating Pi by hand

Very nice mate, the ambiance looks very cool.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

thx mate :)

here two picts of the last changes

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Saturday 3rd of October 2009 04:34:42 AM

FK_nero · Unreal Old Friend

look good

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

That broken moon background rocks!

Can't wait to chek out ya map!

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

thx mates ; will post a beta soon :)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

..a little video to show the "new" stuff :p

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Monday 12th of October 2009 04:31:00 AM

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

As I stated before that broken moon looks choice! I like the huge rock silloutes! Was a treat to see it in the vid!

I'll have to have a look at that broken moon(and lighting) in the editor once the beta is out!

Looks like you've got some very low gravity working there. Is the entire map set to one gravity setting or have you raised the gravity in internal sections?

One thought I had, depending on the current performance, is that long dark corridor needs a light that runs along the length of it every now and then. (like every 40 seconds) That way you'll be running along the corridor and suddently this bright light moves down as well and overtaking and speeding ahead of the player(or comming towards the player). The corridor I'm talking about is the one you start to run through at 3:57 in the video.
Only issue is the performance hit with a dynamic light, but if the map is running with high framerates then it may be OK.

I like the big drop onto the ship then over to the redeemer. Good stuff! biggrin

Looking forward to playing the beta!
...plus the work you guys are doing here is making me want to get back into the editor again....

korpsey · Unreal Old Friend

Nice, man! Prreeeetttyy...

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

thx mates glad u like it

first i was going for something more "classical" but finally i m bored by classical things and i hope i m not too wrong on the gameplay choice haha^^

the map hav low grav but all the enclosed rooms have normal gravity (same for the lifts and the little "tunnels") that way it still possible to have a classical fight inside and something "different outside" ; the low grav allows fast mooves and i tryed to chose only some flying vehicules (no surpowered one !)
all the tourets are on the "outside of the map" and normally noone can ruin the game with anything( i mean in the way the darkwalker " can ruin a game on heat ray for example)

good idea for the corridors and the active dynamic lighting but i ll build the "kismet" cannon shot sequence before; to see how it affect the fps :)

for now it run with very high fps on mine

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

Good to hear that it has differing levels of gravity. It makes maps a lot more interesting!

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

some pictures more , this will probably ending with a map pack: 3 dm ( 1= 1v1 and 2= big maps) and a huge vehicle DM in bonus with three maps in one ;)

for now it play like a charm but i had to build 3 botpathing to get something coherent and it s pure fun to navigate from one map to other
i will "finish " the huge dm vehicle first

Diesalot · Drinker of too much beer

Looking good blitz mate. whens the beta?

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

Diesalot wrote:

Looking good blitz mate. whens the beta?

+1 to that! biggrin

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

yeah i m sorry mates i can give u a beta but i know the quality of yer maps and i must work a bit more to give you something "honorable"

the map is really huge and it s more long than habitually to get it "beta"

....though 1st beta s quite done now so expect a link in the next dayz ;)

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

Will be looking forward to it! biggrin

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

first post updated with link and picts :)

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Thursday 22nd of October 2009 02:46:22 AM

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

RE: DM-HIR4X (Beta 1)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

RE: DM-HIR4X (Beta 2)

Bane the Zergling · crocodile dundee

Nice one Bl!tz I check beta2 as well mate.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

thx zerglings , i tryed to work on:

-meshing & texturing
-global lighting
-jumppads & pathnodes
-custom sounds & textures
-sounds

i wasnt happy with the respawn points so i removed them all; on such a big map it was boring to respawn randomly and quite always far from where u was fighting when u died:

now all the respawn points are on a.....4th world which isnt really a "full level" but more a "bridge " betwwen the 3 "maps" ; there u can choose where u want to "land" after respawn ;dont be scared if u start a match with lot of bots :they ll fight on that "bridge world "first but only some bullets because there s a queue on portals...than they moove on "worlds" to fight

here s where drive yoiu portals:
red teleporters: jail ruin
green teleporters: satellite
blue teleporters: spaceship

Bane the Zergling · crocodile dundee

Sorry to say Bl!tz the bots have become very stupid just standing or in the vehicles doing nothing until I hit them or bump them.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

haha...yes that s the current wip...thx for pointing it ...though the only changes on botpathing since beta one are on "new arena" with playerstarts and on the debris part ;still lot to do there....on vehicles ,botpathing was very light on beta1 too....ops... :)

i have a long list of tests to do and a lot of questions to answer:

-is it possible to use classical botpathing with bots using vehicles ?

-is it possible & how to ask to a bot to leave turrets and vehicles ?

-is it possible, if a bot is facing 3 teleporters to get him choosing the right one to find you or other bots ?

-what is the radius limit of the "influence" of a pathnode ?

-what is the radius limit of the influence of vehicles ;turrets weapons and items on bots ?

i m really not sure to get a good result on all that and the target of the "big map" is more humans vs humans online and i ll finish it even if botpathing is impossible to build
it ll not be same way for the "little maps": the jail debris; hirax spaceship ; the satellite & the dolmen arena. the no vehicles DM version of thoses maps will have fonctionnal botpathing...haha....i hope ;)

thx for taking time to try it

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Thursday 29th of October 2009 10:19:43 PM

Bane the Zergling · crocodile dundee

Yes AI is hard thing therefore alot game companys need to make more time to work on making them better.

UT3 AI is average but still dump.

As you can see I'm a nice person biggrin

-- Edited by Bane the Zergling on Thursday 29th of October 2009 10:23:48 PM

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

Bane the Zergling wrote:

As you can see I'm a nice person

....neva had anykind of doubts on that

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

Sorry I forgot to give my thoughts on beta 1! ashamed

I'll DL beta 2 tonight and give it a try this weekend.

Regarding beta 1 my son and I had quite a bit of fun with it.

I'll have ta say...the map is huuuuge! FPS was great!

Only thought was to possibly move the different areas/platforms closer together so you could get some nice crossfire between them. I'll check beta2 with it's changes though.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

yooo mick here s the "rules" i tryed to use to set the distance between the 3 areas (4th one ; the playerstart arena will be off vehicle access and the only way to land there is to die & respawn):

-u can fly with vehicles between the 3 worlds(flying vehicles like cicada and co)

-u can "fly" with floating vehicles (manta & co) from satellite to the ruin and to the spaceship
and from ruin to the spaceship

-u can use eradicator & shock turret between first plat form of the ruin and the spaceship but no way to fire between ruin & satellite and between spaceship & ruin

-u can escape the turrets fire radius/action with flying vehicles and recollect to return to the fight :p

-having some distance between the three arenas was the best deal to be abble to have some decents space fights with vehicles (starwars influence haha^^)....and to be honnest was the best way to be abble to divide the map in three little maps later (the famous 4 in one pack...lol )

i luv the noise of that eradicator cannon in background, it gives to me a very special athmosphere and if i wasnt comfortable with it ;after some use it s a nice weapon

u think the distance between the worlds is too big? it take actually less than 10 seconds to fly between them; perhaps i can add some intermadiatte platforms between them to short the distance feeling...or do u know a way to copy/paste a entire world closer to others? not sure of the result though

in fact as far as i cant find a way to have interactive gameplay between the worlds (no idea how work botpathing on vehicles) i ll need to grab a lot of infos first ;)

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Friday 30th of October 2009 01:20:36 PM

stevelois · ...

Hey mate,

Sorry, didn't have the time B1 yet & I won't have the time to try B2 anytime soon.

I have some damn bad things happening in RL so my gaming/mapping time is... none.

If I can help you out a bit about bot pathing

- There is a special actor for vehicles, it's like the heightfog actor with wings (from memory). It does the same as a regular bot path (cut little apple) but it's intended for air vehicle.

- If you want to assign specific bot behavior between path node, like forcing them to use a path or go more often or disable the traveling between path "A" - path "B". You can select multiple regular path node, when you right click, notice there is a "Path Option" menu, go in the sub menu & select the options. Very pratcical when you want bots to travel more on specific paths :)

I use that for Nano in the narrow corridor & it work like a charm :D

As for the distance between the worlds, I can suggest to put some small asteroids with the avril weapon base & 1 ammo or some turrets & link them with jump pad or teleporter so the guy on foot will have some fun if he don't want to use the vehicle. He can travel asteroid to asteroid & do some kills on his way.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

stevelois wrote:

Hey mate,

Sorry, didn't have the time B1 yet & I won't have the time to try B2 anytime soon.

I have some damn bad things happening in RL so my gaming/mapping time is... none.

If I can help you out a bit about bot pathing

- There is a special actor for vehicles, it's like the heightfog actor with wings (from memory). It does the same as a regular bot path (cut little apple) but it's intended for air vehicle.

- If you want to assign specific bot behavior between path node, like forcing them to use a path or go more often or disable the traveling between path "A" - path "B". You can select multiple regular path node, when you right click, notice there is a "Path Option" menu, go in the sub menu & select the options. Very pratcical when you want bots to travel more on specific paths :)

I use that for Nano in the narrow corridor & it work like a charm :D

As for the distance between the worlds, I can suggest to put some small asteroids with the avril weapon base & 1 ammo or some turrets & link them with jump pad or teleporter so the guy on foot will have some fun if he don't want to use the vehicle. He can travel asteroid to asteroid & do some kills on his way.

yoo steve

first i hope u ll fix ur RL problems soon

second: mega thx for these essentials infos & good idea on the "little asteroids with turrets" suggestion ; can be a good deal between actual status and micks suggestion to short the distances....i like the idea to keep it huge because it just hasnt be done for now and because it gives something totally different to play ( flying simulation & fps mix)
.....i m actually like a child and i spend several hours with no opponent flying through the structures ....thoses vehicles just kick arses!
if someone could built a real fightspaceship vehicle like on UT2k4 mothership assault ; i mean with rotating moove...but....i m a dreamer ...lol :p

-- Edited by Bl!tz on Friday 30th of October 2009 02:30:48 PM

stevelois · ...

THX mate

J'ai un de mes amis qui est décédé, j'men vais à l'expo dans pas long & demain le service, youppie.... :(

OK, I check the special path node, you'll find it in the generic browser, actor class\actor\navigationpoint\pathnode & the actor to use is volumepathnode. It's an apple with wings.

Hope it help mate :)

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

condoleances mon ami :(

Bane the Zergling · crocodile dundee

I can't even beta test atm it sucks stupid 3 year old crap.

But when I do I'll be getting back to what I do best.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

i just have updated beta2 to beta2a....i forgot to change 3 importants part of the spaceship to white color....oioioi...done now ;)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mzlywzmw2my/DM-Hirax-Beta2a.7z

Bane the Zergling · crocodile dundee

Great I can beta test again this time on 64bit system with 7 cores.

Does ut3 even like to run on win xp pro 64bit?

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

UT3 will run with no probs on ya new rig M8!
Unfortunately though UT3 only threads up to 5 or 6 so you'll have a spare core or two to keep the OS happy. biggrin

Bl!tz new version of this map is getting better and better. I like the floating building debris area. Looks kewl!

Gave me thoughts of a map being made up of broken parts of a planet.

I haven't looked at the map in the editor yet so you may have already done this..
Use 'volume path nodes' between the different areas. This should promote bots to use vehicles to cross from one area to the other.

I had framerate issues unfortunately in the best part of ther map where you're looking down the barrel of the giant gun where you've got the rotating meshes. I'd post a screenie but I can't as I'm at work atm. cry

I'll need to replay the map though, as I was only able to squeeze in 5 minutes late lastnight, to see if it occurs again.

Bl!tz · ...ǝp¡s ɹǝɥʇo ǝɥʇ uo

ok thx for comments and for trying it mick ; i think it s the "water effect" that can crap the fps...havent it here....AMD Powaaa haha^^

Lord_PorkSword · Connoisseur of Bourbon!

Bl!tz wrote:

ok thx for comments and for trying it mick ; i think it s the "water effect" that can crap the fps...havent it here....AMD Powaaa haha^^

LOL! we could start one of those annoying fanboy flaming wars that plague forums everywhere. The intel fanboy vs the AMD fanboy vs everyone else telling them both to pi55off.