I just started doing a Quake remake for UT2004 and thought I might share the progress here until reaching beta status.
The map is called Bloodrun, also known as ZTNDM3/ZTNDM3Q(Q1) or ztn3tourney1(Q3).
Though doing some basic stuff several month or years ago I never build a complete map, so this permiere. Let me know what you think but don't be to rude with a bloody novice
For now I have only one screen because the other (big) rooms are far away from being finished. This one is nearly complete:
Nichts wäret ewiglich, nur die Natur bleibt bestehen.
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Thanks for the responses mates :)
Bl!tz wrote:where did u get all thoses textures & meshes from? are they imported, selfmade or just ue2 stock ones?
where did u get all thoses textures & meshes from? are they imported, selfmade or just ue2 stock ones?
Like Sly said, they are all from Abbaddon texture pack. Some textures look a bit blurry because i had to enlarge them to fit the brushes - for example the single skull at the passages frame at the right.Besides from that I have to say that many textures fit well for a quake map, of course not being identical, but they have the same style - and yes there are many skull borders on the original
The monocolor scheme(yellow-orange) is also very close to the original.
@Malkav: The arch looks good! I can't recall a static mesh like that - apparently self-made. BSP right? The texture alignment on it is very good! The "shadow issue" on round objects is gone thanks to that alignment, you did a good job on that part!I recommend to add a small little bit distance fog to it. It will help to create a better amtosphere!If this is really your first map then you seem to be talented. Waiting for the first beta release!
Yes you are right. There is only one static mesh used so far(apart from pickups ^^) and thats the wall torch.
I try using additional brushes(for borders and similar stuff) to let the walls and ceilings not look just flat, and they are also similar to the q3 map.
The arch you mentioned is also elevated which is just not clearly visible on the pic.
I also made another passage which is very quake like and has the typical shape.
When I know how to build such distance fog I will give it a try at the end, thanks for the idea :)
P.S. If anyone has quakelive installed and the original configs feel free to send me a copy
I did reduce my gfx settings to much on mine and can't remember the stock settings
Would be nice for some real comparison screens, for now mines are without shadows and ambient lights...
mAlkAv wrote:When I know how to build such distance fog I will give it a try at the end, thanks for the idea :)
That's easy! You need either a volume or a zoneinfo (the latter one recommended since you want to see the fog everywhere and don't want it to pop up all of the sudden when standing in one specific place).
There you go to the properties and search in the first Zone part for an entry that's called bDistanceFog and set it to true. After this change you have to rebuild your geometry to be able to see the fog after placing the info.
Now go to ZoneLighting. There you should find the entries fog color (you can pick one, I recommend a red/orange color) and some other entries, like MinFogEnd. This is for the ingame fog-regulator in the settings. Most people forget about that. Since you want just decorative fog that doesn't hide and clip objects I recommend to set it to the same setting like your regular FogEnd setting which should be set about twice to three times as high as the default setting to get rid of the clipping and make sight over distances easier. Now you can set the FogStart setting. As the name already says it's the distance the fog starts from the sight of the player. I recommend something along 256 to 320. Should look good with these settings. If it doesn't you can play still around with it. After you rebuilt the first time after setting the bDistanceFog setting to true you can just change the fog distances as you please without having to rebuild (before you want to test your map you may want to do that though, just to be sure. Get used to use the RebuildAll option that most people like to call "quick rebuild" although it takes about the same amount of time - the optimization is more precise than when you rebuild separately and the BSP cuts get better!)
Hope I could help
PS: Refuse from using the ZoneBrightness! It makes static mesh appear about 4 units brighter than BSP which makes it look just odd (could name plenty of example maps that use this). If your architecture would be 100% BSP then it would be okay though. But if you insist on using the ZoneBrightness because you think the corners look too dark, I've discovered a simple trick that's also performance-friendly:
After setting the the ZoneBrightness, rebuild all and after that you should see what I mean. To get rid of that stupid side effect you can set your ZoneBrightness now lower by 4 units. This will only affect static meshes (and pickups) but not the BSP itself since you need to rebuild after that to apply the changes to your BSP (which you don't want since the BSP will become 4 units darker after rebuilding the lighting but the static mesh will stay as they are right now when you rebuild).
A simple trick - but very effective! You should do it at the end of your mapping process though. It's better since you won't have to change it after every lighting rebuild. Tbh, I'm proud that I discovered something useful for mappers (about half a year ago). A trick that nobody seemed to be aware of. I should write a tutorial about that soon to help other mappers. lol
Oh, and my standard tip: Stay on the grid (a mix of 8 and 16+ grids is always good), hehe
My map Deadlock (that one with Tron style) in my own map thread (btw, very close to be a release candidate, put much effort into it) has had 0 BSP holes so far - and the architecture is almost completely out of BSP and I check my maps very accurately (every corner has to be checked. It looks like simple BSP - but it isn't! It's a mess of coloured lines in top/front/side and perspective view )!
-- Edited by Sly on Monday 6th of June 2011 10:19:43 AM
NYAN, I see you have the NYAN cat as your avatar, Foufoune!Translation:NYAN, NYAN NYA NYAN NYA NYA NYAN NYAN NYA NYAN NYAN, NYAN!Btw, I'm writing the tutorial about the ambient brightness trick (first in German, will translate later this day and post the translation here at UOF). Mappers should really know that (and then I can just link to my tutorial without having to explain mappers why they should avoid using it in maps with SMs and how to use that trick over and over again).
Sly, thanks alot for the very detailed description
I owe you a beer for this one :) And I will definitely give it a try.
Oh and don't forget to put a link to the german tutorial in that upcoming thread
Foufoune, thanks. But to be honest the wall textures aren't perfectly aligned yet because they are also used in adjacent rooms which are not yet finished.
For now the pickup placement is identically to the Quake 3 map. I might change such things later when the map is playable.
Can anyone tell me how to build more realistic fire for the wall torches? I followed a short tutorial but the basic shape of the fire is always rectangular. Would look better if it becomes more narrow upwards.
Oh, just noticed when I talked about the AmbientBrightness in Zones:Did I say 4 units brighter? I meant 4 times brighter than BSP environment! (exactly 4 times, don't know why though)I'll post a link to my original tutorial, I'm about to translate it when I get some feedback on it ;)
EDIT: w00t! Already my 100th posts
Ah, okay! Here it is! Very detailled with many pictures!
Bl!tz wrote:wow....+1 ut2004 looks simply better than ut3 under certain style ....nice job!
wow....+1 ut2004 looks simply better than ut3 under certain style ....nice job!
Yeah Blitz thats why I've been playing for the last 5 months.
Malkav great work I use play Quake 3 all the time being Sorlag.
I am a bit busy these days thats why I didn't make much progress. Mainly some detail work like new torch fire emitters. Also started with adjacent rooms to the big hall. The small one with teleporter to the top and the hallway with super health.
~400 brushes so far...
@SlyThanks for all your suggestions.Another idea for the lightning gun cylinder would be to add some kind of a border on the floor side, similar to this one. There would be still a break but less abruptly.
For the two little stairs I have to say that I just haven't aligned the texture yet. They will look like the big one.
The hallway has definitely room for improvement. It will take some time to add neat brushes to the ceiling. Perhaps i will change the outer ceiling borders or skull borders on the walls first because of that ^^
Isn't there also a ut2k4 remake of q3dm7? Has this one been finished or stopped at beta?
Does anyone have an idea what static mesh I might use for the teleporters? I couldn't find one that's close to the original ones.
Oh! That border looks "dangerous"! Seems like you were working on grid 1. Grid 16 is ideal for BSP (or not...? Thinking of Blitz right now, lol :P).
You should convert it into a static mesh.I don't recall the teleporters. A screenshot of the original would make it easier to post a suggestion
Grid 16 was way too rough/inaccurate for me. I'm most times on grid 4 and sometimes 2. This border is 4 uu high.Teleporters: http://i39.tinypic.com/2vt16h4.jpg
16...32...64...128....256...512....640....hm???!....what?....640 is perfect to me!...640....1280....2560.....5120.....PILLS!!!!
more seriously there s no problem to use 2uu for bordering, i hope the ed can deal with that haha^^
it s recommended to build the "bases" of the layout in biggest units mesures (and it make sence) but hopefully u can subdivide that....or it ll be a lil "cubical" at the end
Sounds like a good idea, thanks. I already have created an emitter for the teleporter effects, looks different but imo good nevertheless ^^
Blitz, I never use such units for basic layout but for the little details like borders, passages, arches etc. BUT I have noticed low FPS on that map so thats probably something the engine can't deal with :pI'll start to convert some brushed into static meshes.
I found another static mesh in abaddon hardware that fits even better :)
Ok I'm done with that teleporter area for now. Because of the wings shape I didn't add yellow blocks at the sides but brushes with yellow shader effects(just noticeable to some extent on the screens) in the holes.
No they don't flicker. I reduced the size of the second one so that it is completely in the inside of the other one :)And I removed those cornet like extensions from the front side which u can see at the back.
I like playing with stuff!